And trying to be in that moment fully and actually think about it. So there’s all this physical vulnerability and now he’s driving around doing ride sharing and our relative positions, and he is of a generation where the odds are good that there was an ideology, like a deep ideology of white supremacy, and he is in many ways in a position, more vulnerable than I am at the moment. And I was thinking, and knowing from people who I’m close to the physical impact of working in the mines. Like so to think about if I take a man who drove me in a Lyft to my auntie’s house who had been working, an elderly white man who had told me he worked in the mines for 30 years. I wanted to actually have encounters that try to move through that information with more delicacy than I certainly do in my sort of more conventional academic work.
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